cnn was going through all kinds of changes, too. they have nothing to compare with c-span and you, but -- >> we are 50 minutes in and have not gotten to hamburger helper left, but i do want to take advantage of the seven minutes left -- do you also think gigot and shields, brooks and shields -- which one to do like the best? >> that is a good question. everyone. david was six years, from 1987 until 1993. --dqavid gerger. then he left, of course. sort of tarnished his republican credentials by going to work for bill clinton. >> you hear republicans say that is the kind of republican you have on pbs. >> you cannot say that about paul gigot, the editorial page of "the wall street journal." paul did it from 1993 until 2001. the only reason he left was that he left for new york to run the page. he got the promotion. >> which one of those three did you like the best? >> since then i have been doing it with david brooks -- all terrific. i have been very orchard. -- i have been very, very fortunate. >> what is the difference in those three